Dear IWC Marks…
Dear IWC Marks, this message goes out to you, , with your “Vast” knowledge of the wrestling business, with 7 dirtsheet report sites on your favorite list, who constantly talk about what is wrong with the business, but yet contribute nothing to the world not Just wrestling, but any aspect of the world you don’t contribute anything. This is a message for you low life dwellers of the internet, and how pathetic, shameful, disgusting, and downright pathetic most of you are.
For one, Shut the fuck up about the attitude era, I am willing to bet 90% of you delusional dipshits were not even born yet, and if you were, you were not even out of diapers yet. The Attitude era was NOT the greatest era in wrestling, infact, by your shit stain logic, it is what almost killed the wrestling business. Everything you constantly complain about today, was more alive in the attitude era than before.
Quick meaningless matches. They were called hardcore matches, and if you think about the term hot potato now, there was a title for these senseless matches, and it was passed around 230 times in 4 YEARS. People would have 30 second title reigns. You want to talk about hot potato belts, and meaningless matches, can’t get more meaningless than the hardcore title and their matches.
“But Tim That was the hardcore title” Shut up, From 1996 to 2001, The attitude era you praise so much, there was only 7 champions that held the belt for 100 plus days, and only one of those champions held the belt 200 plus days. MEANWHILE, and here are some of the longer reigns of the Post attitude era.
John “Bradshaw” Layfield – 280 days
John Cena – 280 days
John Cena – 380 days
Randy Orton – 203 days
Triple H – 210 days
These are the 200 plus day holders, 5 times the amount of the attitude era.
Brock Lesnar – 152 days
Eddie Guerrero – 133 days
John Cena – 133 days
Twatface Miz – 160 days
CM Punk – 100 plus days (current champ)
The 100 day champs. Granted, only 5 compared to the 6. But for those who constantly bitch that there is too long term title runs, needs to get their heads out of their asses. Yes John cena has been champion for way to long, but in comparison to Hulk Hogan’s 1747 day run as champion, maybe you should be thankful that Cena can at least lose the belt, instead of HOG(an)ING the spot light for years, But Those are the WWE champs, there are two belts,
Triple H – 280 days
Chris Benoit – 154 days
Batista – 282 days
Rey Mysterio – 112 days
King Booker – 126 days
Batista – 126 days
Edge – 105 days
Undertaker – 140 days
Kane – 154 days
Daniel Bryan – 100+ days* (current champ)
(*Time of article Daniel Bryan is sitting on 90 day champ with his next title defense in 14 days)
“But Tim, The Tag division was more alive as well” LOOK, In the sky, It is a bird, NO, It is a plane, NO, it is, It is, A steaming pile of bullshit. While yes, the Tag TITLES got more use in this era, to say the division was a success is bull.
Who can forget such classic teams such as…
The Godwinns with their 2 title runs, lasting UNDER 10 days.
Two legends made up of Kane and mankind, with 2 runs, around 40 days.
Two legends made up of Stone Cold and Undertaker, with 1 Run for 15 days.
The Unholy Alliance (Undertaker and Bigshow), with 2 runs for 21 days.
The Rock ‘n’ Sock Connection (Mankind and The Rock), with 3 runs for 15 days.
Great dream teams usually made in some crappy wwe game release, came to life in this era, but in the end, they pass the tag titles around faster than a game of dodge ball.
Yeah, there was a fair amount of good teams, the Hardyz, The Dudlies, E&C, The New Age Outlaws, and The British Bulldog and Owen Hart had a good run, but overall, The Tag titles back then, were used a prop more than, than it is now. Unless your name was the New age outlaws, in this era, you would not hold the belt for more than 100 days, hell you would be lucky to hold the titles for more than a month.
Post Attitude era success stories of the tag division include
The World’s Greatest Tag Team
Paul London and Brian Kendrick
The Hurricane and Rosey
Kane and The Big Show
John Morrison and Twatface Miz
Those annoying bastards (aka the Spirit Squad)
Hardcore Holly and Cody Rhodes
The Hart Dynasty
And Air Boom
“But Tim The women’s division was MUCH better than it was now” That is up for debate, while yes, the women were shown more, the amount of models VS Wrestlers is much different, and while The attitude era had Trish, Lita, Jazz, Molly Holly, and many more, they were also treated more as sex objects as well. This is a coin flip, On one had I agree, The women’s division is failing in comparison to the past, but the past was also more about sex appeal, for god sakes there was mud wrestling and bra and panties match, where even the winner would eventually strip down to her underwear just because. Meanwhile I have to say, with Beth, Natie, and more importantly Kharma, while the first two are typical blond girls with big… ascents, Kharma is a break from the mold, AJ Lee a swap from model to an actual wrestler, it is hard to determine which era is worse or better. But because of people Like Trish who was a model and went to better herself, ONE point to the attitude era, But take that point with a note that is was filled with sex appeal.
“But Tim Screwjob endings.”
THE BIRTH OF THE ERA WAS BECAUSE OF THE MOST FAMOUS SCREW JOB IN HISTORY!
Is This era the best wrestling has been, NO, but is this a generally more advanced era than before, yes. The WWE is actually having wrestlers, unlike the past, where the man who made wrestling a main stream medium could not tell you the difference between a fireman’s carry, and a scoop slam. The man who was famous for slamming a really big wrestler. Hulk Hogan is indeed one of the worst wrestlers in the business, but has done enough for the business (In the past) to at least make it main stream. Compare him to John Cena, and John Cena is the most technical man who ever lived. Did the attitude era have its moments, It sure as hell did, Did it make wrestling fans out of many, Hell yeah, was it entertaining to watch, you bet, did it come with its own faults, Most definitely. This all goes back to the IWC, who will never be happy, who will always complain, and constantly compare everything to the attitude era, That era was a product of the 90’s, an era of anger and rage, where anti-heroes and being bad was great, where the typical villain became more. It is time to move on, move up, and grow up, as I see the same old shit. Complaining about The Rock and his “Rock Concert”, CM Punk “selling out” Cena always in the main event never selling or losing cleanly (ahem Hulk Hogan No sold more), and the constant bitching and double stabbing of wanting a wrestler pushed, and once he is pushed you hate him. You IWC bastards need to shut the fuck up, get away from the keyboard and go play in traffic.
And that is another thing I don’t get from you little piss stains. CM Punk, one of the most gifted and talented wrestlers the wwe has, finally got the push he needed from independent star to superstar, and the night he returns, I hear the echoes of the word sellout. For MONTHS, you IWC Smarks have been demanding he get his push, and once he cut that promo heard around the world, got to the main event spot, suddenly a big change in heart. CM Punk isn’t the only one, Alberto Del Rio, Sin Carra, TwatFace Miz, Zack Ryder, and many many more. Once you little fuckwits see that someone is finally getting the push YOU asked for, and getting popular, you drop them like a bad habit and move on to some other no name in the wwe to act like you know what the business is like. Don’t give me that “Characters change” shit. If you truly are a fan of a wrestler, you can deal with almost any image they can put out there. But by the way, the people I listed, DIDN’T change, they just go the pushes that you little toadstools wanted, and now that they are in the big picture, you don’t want to seem like another fan. Get the fuck out of here with your turn coat ways.
“But Tim, You hate The Miz and Alberto Del Rio” Your damn straight I do. I never felt Twat face miz deserved a push, I hated him for the longest time. When he did that stupid wwe online show with Morrison to his countless tag title runs, I have always noticed that his partner was always doing the work, and cannot handle it on his own. Key difference is, I never supported the twatface, Never held a “Awesome, miz is the future” with me. I do know a few people that turned, and not for any logical reasoning. As for Del Rio, I grew tired of his act, I still stand by that he is indeed a good wrestler, but MITB winner, and Royal Rumble winner, I felt he was pushed to fast and that once he reaches the top, only place for him is down. And I was right, I didn’t turn on him, I still say he deserves a good push, not a grand fucking push like the one he got, The only time I did support him was in his feud with Rey Mysterio, and for one many reason, Rey is a dirtbag.
“But Tim Sometimes….” NO Stopping you right there, you turn coat bastards have no excuse. Most of you little heathens of wrestling are most likely the same ones bitching about the rock returning for one match and taking away the spotlight from others. Most of you were most likely don’t remember when the Rock was booed straight out of the wwf when it was made know he was leaving for movies. You kiss the guys ass when he returns and now that you hear he is leaving again, in typical turn coat fashion you all present yourself to be, you hate everything he does so blindly.
“But Tim you have to admit the product is turning to shit” yes, it is called a down period. Everything has one of those. You greedy like fuckheads who suffer from ADD can’t picture a pause to help things
“But Tim you are a member of the IWC”
No fuck that, I am a wrestling fan, I am a writer, and I am tired of hearing the same old shit. If I have an opinion, I back it up with facts, and knowledge, and reasoning, Something that separates me from the IWC, Reasoning. I don’t turncoat on a favorite wrestler, just because he got popular like some preteen hipster with too much time on their hands I don’t hate a wrestler blindly just because it is the cool thing to do, I don’t watch to over evaluate a weekly show that has been going on before I watched it, and after I watched it, I am Tim5000, and to the IWC, You can piss off, go play in traffic, or a long list of activities that involve you guys shutting the fuck up,
@Tim5000 Professional Hater and Proud member of the NOT IWC.
Rambling Recap Will start up in April
This was actually more toned down than the original draft, and had much more insults and more attacks against the IWC Smarks so incase you are questioning why if feels empty in some parts, I removed them, not because ray or J said too, it is just felt unneeded.
Don’t take this the wrong way, but that may be the first time somebody named Timmy has ever made me aroused.
I’ll take your word for it.
And that concludes the family portion of our show.
Family portion? I could go on another rant about that, but fuck that >.>
Just me trying to be sarcastic.
I know, just saying.
Nah, rants are fun. Especially when they’re against smarks.
Am I the only one that thinks of Brain Pillman’s ECW promo whenever the words mark or smark is mentioned?
He was a bit out of his mind, but still was a good promo.
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Tim is like the Stone Cold of WR, lol.
Nice rant Tim. I don’t disagree with you but when I think of the Atiitude Era, I try to call it the most successful period in pro wrestling history, because well…it was. As I said a couple of months back in a column http://wrestlingrambles.com/2011/12/01/does-the-attitude-era-get-more-credit-that-what-its-due/ it moved too fast, which is what you’re pointing out but in a more detailed/rant sort of way.
Well pay attention, I don’t say I hate the era, I love the era, but as a fan, It is so damn hard listing to these smarks bitch and complain nonstop, and yet praise the era that elevated everything that is hated.
The only reason the attitude era was seen as GREAT is because it was mainly shock TV and people tuned in to see how far the envelope would be pushed more, I’ve always said the AE was overrated, the best matches in history happened before or after the AE with a few exceptions.
That’s an interesting point about the quality of matches. The Attitude era officially started in 1997 and there were alot of good matches that year. Not so many from 1998-1999 and then there was an overload of awesome matches from 2000 and beyond. But no wrestling promotion in history ever achieved mainstream success based soley on their level of workrate (though it never hurts to have good matches).
The Attitude era was no diferent than any other successful boom period in wrestling history. Whether it was WCW of 96-98, World Class of 82-83, All Japan and New Japan of the 90s or WWE of the late 80s, every boom period was because of the right angles with the right personalities at the right time.
I’m glad you mentioned WCCW 🙂 Huge fan in case you were wondering hahaha
I think one reason ratings are down is in the last decade, we’ve become more fragmented when it comes to tv, music, movies, etc.
Cool! That was some great stuff.
I can agree to this, while I am a fan of the era, and besides for a selected few matches, it was just trash tv… but looking around what is on TV now, it is clear trash sells.
The Tag Team titles are dying, the Divas Championship is dying.
The reason they have been held for so long is that WWE cant be bothered to do anything with them, what ever happened to the 30 day rule?
In fact they’re held in such high prestige at the moment they are not even going to be defended in the Grandest stage of them all.
Beth Pheonix, Natalya two of WWE’s strongest female workers in the company today and what are the Divas doing at WM? Beth and Eve vs Kelly Kelly and a Celebrity.
That is what fucks fans like myself off, instead of WWE going forward with a worthwhile storyline, ending with an excellent match they prefer to appeal to the mainstream audience, but hey I get it, its just business. But that doesn’t mean I cant be pissed off about it.
Why does WWE even have these titles now? The reason they unified them is so they could do even less with them.
Loophole for the 30 day rule, it is called house matches, they can say the titles were defended in a dark match or house show match, and as for the no defending at mania, the card is still not 100%, yes, expect some cheap thrown together match or involved in the 6v6, and in that 6v6 expect something to develop again Truth and Kingston against Primo and Epico. With that, can’t really say the division is dying, when the overall product hasn’t produced much. Saw some good matches and got some use with Air Boom so I won’t complain.
WM has always been the celebrity involvement show, one part will always suffer, and let us be honest, who would beth face? Kelly Kelly? IWC bitches about her and calls her a whore? Fox? She is a walking botch fest? One of the bella twins? Same with Kelly Kelly, so they can be insulted? Anyone in the spotlight has problems with the IWC, or anyone they find worthy are out with personal problems, or anyone there they want wouldn’t make sense. Honestly I have no problem with Beth taking on the Extra chick, considering it is just advertisement anyways, might as well have it there than somewhere else.
Maybe dying is the wrong term. In a coma and waiting to show signs of improvement.
You just reeled out the Divas devision and confirmed one thing, apart from the minority they’re not wrestlers, they’re eye candy. WWE needs to bring up/recruit some real women wrestlers, women who can work a match. I’m not saying back in the attitude era it was flushed with female talent, but highlighting the state of the division today.
The Tag Team division has been a bit of a mish mash the last few years, I dont understand why they put together two single wrestlers to carry the titles when there have been and are some excellent teams available. Unfortunately now the WWE expect everyone to have the whole package… Take the Hart Dynasty for example, fair enough they weren’t the greatest on the mic and this is probably what caused their dimise… answer? Give them a Manager, give them a mouthpiece, someone who can get them over outside the ring while they get themselves over in the ring. This is basics which worked well long before the Attitude era and should still be used today.
I agree, I do think the Diva division needs improvement, but they are on the right step, Natie and Beth are a good mix of beauty and wrestling talent, AJ lee, Kharma, it is just a shame they are not being used right, however I do like the fact that there are no more bra and panties match, (If I wanted porn I have the internet) but it is an overall slow process.
As for singles being in tag team, look what it did to Kofi Kingston, Evan Bourne, R-Truth, sometimes, while these teams at first make no sense, it does help the division and the contenders.
I’d say the main complaint from fans such as myself these days is the under utilization of such talent you mentioned above. All these wrestlers who harbor such skill and they’re tossed about storylines like rag dolls just because WWE don’t know what to do with them.
Take AJ, a perfectly good up and coming young divA who is actually able to wrestle a match, what she needs now is to be having matches, getting experience in the ring, not hanging off Daniel Bryan… There is a locker room full of eye candy which WWE could have used for their Liz and Macho couple V2.
Kofi Kingston, in 2009 he and Orton entered a feud which for a moment led us to believe the WWE machine were getting firmly behind Kofi, the chemistry was great, the matches were edge of the seat… then dead. Just another victim of the stop/start effect.
This is my complaint. When I think back to the Attitude era admittedly not everything was perfect, bra and panty matches, a title which held as much respect as the trash it was pulled from, naked Mideon…. BUT, something was being done right and that is what I remember, Austin busting through giving out a beer bath, The Rock cutting epic promos, DX winding up sarge and cutting bad jokes, McMahon swerving left right and centre. Wrestlers were being utilized, pushed and trusted without being cut down halfway through.
In honesty todays matches and ring talent may well out perform the Attitude era, but we still crave the storylines and characters that draw us into the matches in the first place.
I agree 100%, it just seems like a bad coin flip, and don’t get me wrong, I don’t think the entire attitude era was garbage wrestling, Owen and Bret Hart, Undertaker, Kane, Kurt Angle, Sting, Austin (pre neck break) The Rock, Benoit, Eddie, and Jericho, so the Attitude era did have pure wrestlers as of today, and were given a better run than now, it is just that we cannot always cling to the past with nostalgia goggles, do I wish Nexus did its job, yes, but that was doomed from the start with firings and injuries, do I wish Neo Nexus didn’t just disappear at MITB, no, but things needed to change, do I wish for the end of sloppy booking, and market pandering, damn straight I do, but for now, we get what we get, hopefully vince will call it a night an mania 28 and start letting HHH and Steph take more control. (And yes I think HHH with Steph being a full 50/50 partner, can help WWE)
I still say the change in fans is greater than the change in booking. The net really has changed what wrestling means to fans.
The booking has changed dramatically, The booking changed before the fans, which I can understand why people are upset, but people cannot complain about one thing when it spawned in another era. That is like a fat person saying ” I hate being Fat” while he is eating cake.
Well, cake is delicious.
It is, it really is Fatty.
But none with actual fruit. Too healthy.
The booking should be kept up-to-date with trends and such. However, should not reflect the way fans turn on wrestlers after awhile. If there’s one thing I agree with Timmy about, from this column, it’s that fans losing interest in a character after only a few months is beyond annoying. Actually, saw someone say Punk needs, HAS TO, turn heel after WM, bc he’s becoming boring and like Cena.
Oooh that drove me nuts when I saw articles about how Punk is the new cena. It has only been 7 months and people are already shooting shit. Punk played a heel for most of his career, Vs- Hardy, Vs- Rey, W/SES, W/nexus, On Commentator, For god sakes, as a joke one night he said the CM in his name was cole minor! Sorry minor rant, but still, I admit punk is at his best when into a corner and attacking, and you know what, Jericho is doing a damn fine job bringing out this in Punk.
Yeah, it was only about 3 to 4 months after Cena first won the title that the boos started.
What people need to realize is that wrestling is not a playlist on your fancy cell phone. It’s not made specifically for you, but for a wide range of fans. People are so used to getting exactly what the want on their phones that if every note isn’t hit, then it’s crap. I didn’t start to watch wrestling, because I wanted “work rate” or “smart booking”. I did, because when I was a little kid and was flipping stations, I saw this HUGE man(Andre) tear the crucifix off of this guy wearing red and yellow(Hogan). From that moment on, I was hooked. The “playlist” mentality is like an illness and it’s made it harder for bookers to figure out what the fans want.
Well I would like a better work rate and smarter booking in all honesty, but not to the point where I am questioning every damn detail that happens, do I have a few opinions, yeah, everyone does, but that isn’t like I am saying “UNLESS IT IS LIKE THIS IT IS A FAILURE” I wish the Taker HHH HBK storyline didn’t take up so much time, but at the end I had a great laugh when Taker told HHH, “He is” (saying who is better between HHH and HBK, and HBK is the he), while I was looking forward to the war of words between Jericho and CM Punk, Punk losing his shit is much more entertaining, sometimes you just need to let things happen.
After Taker’s “He is.”, I wanted somebody from the crowd to yell out, “IN BED!!!”.
Interesting read Timmy and it’s clearly something which you are passionate about but people will keep comparing to the Attitude Era because people compare everything. I agree that people do whine about it a little too much but in my opinion these people are just hoping WWE will improve and I think that’s a good thing. That’s better then them switching off and going to UFC which so many people have. I watch both wrestling and MMA and to be honest, out of my core group of friends, I am the only one who has moved over to MMA but continued with wrestling.
Someone mentioned the audience dictating the current story writing in WWE and that’s correct. People are so politically correct now it’s ridiculous and you have people calling the network when a wrestler insinuates someone is gay. It’s completely pathetic. WWE have been forced to not be as riske with their product probably because of what the network and society is dictating.
However, saying that, on numerous occasions on the TTR podcast we have spoken about how much crap was on the mid to undercard in the attitude era. In my opinion, the talent of wrestlers the WWE have now is broader and it’s a product I enjoy. I got over comparing it to the AE era about 6 years ago.
One thing that also needs to be considered is the age of the fans, when the AE was around, I was 11, at a much more impressionable age and everything seemed better then it does now. Every computer game I played was better then it is now, certain TV shows meant more. If I was 11 now, this era would be the greatest era of wrestling because at that age, your immaturity allows you to enjoy things more imo.
One key factor, is that WWE is a publicly traded company now, If a wrestler insults another wrestler based on anything today, than the holders get worried and ask for a change at first sign of complaint.You can tell that this isn’t the Vince McMahon show anymore, he was willing to personally take the abuse if he saw that the ratings would love it, (For fucks sakes the dude had his own face shoved up bigshow’s ass, Nasty, Creepy, and sick, but if the fans wanted it) So I agree, yeah, wwe is very watered down, which is why I don’t blame the PG rating, when Raw first came out, and much of WcW was PG, so I don’t go around blaming the PG rating. As an overall product I would give WWE a C today, which by my standards (and according to college) is still passing >.>
Good point. I don’t think it can be denied that the energy of the attitude era is what made made it so special though and what people become so nostalgic for rather than the actual creative aspect. Modern PPV’s are ten times better than PPV’s from that time though the energy is just not the same. A mixture of both great wrestling and great excitement like at the Money in the Bank PPv last year would be ideal.
“For one, Shut the fuck up about the attitude era, I am willing to bet 90% of you delusional dipshits were not even born yet, and if you were, you were not even out of diapers yet.”
I’m proud to say that I grew up watching wrestling during the heart of the Attitude Era…1999-2001. As for the Attitude Era not being the greatest wrestling era of all time, that is very incorrect. I witnessed the Attitude Era. It was when wrestling was the most popular and it hasn’t been that popular since. Wrestling was MAINSTREAM! RAW was beating Monday Night Football. Everyone in my class were wrestling fans. It was cool to be a wrestling fan. In fact, you were in the minority if you weren’t a wrestling fan.
That doesn’t make it “GOOD” to be popular. I am a fan of that era, don’t get me wrong, I am a huge stone cold fan, I can even say I am a fan of the not so popular “Badass” gimmick of the Undertaker, but taking of the nostalgoggles, I have to look at it for what it really was, trash TV. While I liked it, I have to admit it was also very bad. Case in point : Hulk Hogan, He was very popular, he made wrestling mainstream (more than it was at the time at least), does that make him a good wrestler?
“I have to look at it for what it really was, trash TV. ”
It was pro wrestling. That’s what Pro Wrestling is. If you are expecting real wrestling, you will be disappointed. Go watch UFC for that.
“Case in point : Hulk Hogan, He was very popular, he made wrestling mainstream (more than it was at the time at least), does that make him a good wrestler?”
Yes it does. I still consider Hulk Hogan as the Babe Ruth or the Michael Jordan of Pro Wrestling. This site probably wouldn’t exist right now without him.
I disagree with that. If it wasn’t for guys like Lou Thesz and people who helped him and who he helped, wrestling itself may not of been successful. If it wasn’t for Gorgeous George then Hogan would not of been a success. It’s all linked how wrestling turned into a mainstream sport. The truth is, with or without Hulk Hogan….wrestling would still be here. It just mean The Ultimate Warrior or some other guy would of been ”the man” and build as the man who saved wrestling or made it super popular. When Hogan died out, Stone Cold stepped in and made it popular again. Cena hasn’t done that so to speak, but in the future, there is a guy out there somewhere who will be another Lou Thesz, George, Hogan or Austin.
I think WrestleMania is what really helped the WWE continue into the future. And who was the headliner of the first WrestleMania? Hulk Hogan.
Cannot agree with that, Hogan was just the right person at the right time, He wasn’t very technical and showed little effort or skill in the craft. Yes he did help make it mainstream, but he still wasn’t very good.
As for your UFC comment, UFC isn’t wrestling either, it is its own brand of fighting, and that is all it is, fighting.
As for Wrestling always being trash TV, I mean to the degree it was. Today it is much more tame, you don’t see a crazy drunk driving a beer truck into a building soaking an entire ring with beer. The product was much different before the attitude era, and alot different after it.
Why does it matter if Hogan was technical or not? Pro Wrestling will always be more about entertainment than the sport. It’s soap opera for men.
No doubt it is entertainment over sport, but as an overall product, people will remember the matches as well, People do take pride in the heat of the wrestling, if it was just an all promo show, we wouldn’t be here today.
The Attitude Era had wrestling…it just wasn’t really the real wrestling that your grandfather and dad grew up watching.
Yes Tony it has. But are you saying WWE wouldn’t be here today if Hulk Hogan was never created?
I’m sure where the WWE would be today. A lot of wrestling promotions have died. If the WWE did still exist, how many people would still know about it? Would it be available worldwide like it is today?
Wrestling promotions are way more known now than before the internet. Since 2008, look at how many promotions you can watch their product on YT or on their website. It’s much more easier now for a small promotion to grow. Look at DGUSA. I’m buying that today, I know Richard is buying it and at least 8 others on twitter. Without the internet, none on us would of known about DGUSA. We can now watch it because of the internet.
How many people would still know about it? Millions. You can’t say WWE is only big today and globally known because of ONE man. If it wasn’t Hogan, it’d be a different guy. Look at HBK in the 90s when he got injured, he was on the way to being the fac eof the company….then WHAM! Stone Cold came in and probably drew money more than HBK ever would of. Who knows what would o happened if Hogan never became big.
The Internet Wrestling Fanbase is small. Only like 1/10 of all wrestling fans are in the IWC and not everyone in the IWC goes online to follow other wrestling promotions. The fans would still be there but nowhere near as many as there is now.
I know the IWC is a small portion of fans but those fans would be ”true wrestling fans” meaning they don’t just watch WWE or TNA. Like I’d say half my followers on twitter are fans of ROH or indy promotions, it vaires on who you follow. Like ROH has 42,000 followers on twitter, that promotion grew because of social media. Where was before social media, we probably never would have heard of them. Unless of course you don’t live in Chicago.
They are the most vocal.
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